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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:05 PM
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is it the great **** in which i think it is
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:07 PM
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You better get that ban hammer ready for what I'm going to post up soon.

Your going to post the pics you showed me huh? Im gonna need new pants AGAIN!
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:12 PM
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Post it meth
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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They the pics ive seen?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:29 PM
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Euthanasia is slowly working on it... I'm in no hurry to put it together.

The lysholm is taking priority
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:32 PM
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is it the great **** in which i think it is
it's the holy **** of #$^#@&@$*$*%&... soon to be revealed
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:40 PM
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I see euthanasia is looking for an OTTP long tube. Is it going to be part of your build by chance? Or just something he wants to play with?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:49 PM
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They the pics ive seen?
I would hope so! lol this is going to be ALOT of fun to watch!
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
I see euthanasia is looking for an OTTP long tube. Is it going to be part of your build by chance? Or just something he wants to play with?
Something he wants to play with

I have a CIA MID LENGTH header w/ 3" dp (3" cut out) to 2.5" stock bolt in exit
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:57 PM
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Way to go steve
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 08:35 PM
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Bump!
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 09:31 PM
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Hey how do u think a TVS 2300 would do on this setup lol ?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 09:33 PM
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Even a 1900 is pushing it but 23 that is to big.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 09:38 PM
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mp2300 + built le5 = awesomesauce
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ecotecturbo
Even a 1900 is pushing it but 23 that is to big.
lol i wouldent say that
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:17 PM
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lol i wouldent say that
Its a huge blower for a 4 cylinder
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:31 PM
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so the blower or the engine dosent care whats on it or being put on
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
so the blower or the engine dosent care whats on it or being put on
Exactly

As long as you can get the blower to work in its efficiency range it doeant matter.

He doesn't know the magnitude of this build yet
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 01:58 AM
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Case in point 8.3L Whipple twin screw on a 5.4L mod motor.
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 01:59 AM
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SUB'D! And Good luck bro
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 100% METH
Exactly

As long as you can get the blower to work in its efficiency range it doeant matter.

He doesn't know the magnitude of this build yet
But with our head flow, that getting into the range of very hard. Which means we get to the point where to get more in you really have to just run crazy pressure ratios. Trouble with roots blowers is that once you get over a pressure ratio of 2 (aka 15 psi of boost) efficiency normally tanks because the boost starts to leak between the two rotors. The tvs has a higher threshold because of the helix angle on the rotors and some other stuff. Even the normal m62 is higher than that because of the coating and close tolerance on the rotors. That said to really push the pressure ratios you can run it has to be a twin screw, or something I havent seen done before, dual stage. Which would be 1 blower feeding a 2nd blower allowing for a total pressure ratio of 4, though cooling becomes an issue wish this.
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 04:15 AM
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suspense is killer lol

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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Leafydialupking
But with our head flow, that getting into the range of very hard. Which means we get to the point where to get more in you really have to just run crazy pressure ratios. Trouble with roots blowers is that once you get over a pressure ratio of 2 (aka 15 psi of boost) efficiency normally tanks because the boost starts to leak between the two rotors. The tvs has a higher threshold because of the helix angle on the rotors and some other stuff. Even the normal m62 is higher than that because of the coating and close tolerance on the rotors. That said to really push the pressure ratios you can run it has to be a twin screw, or something I havent seen done before, dual stage. Which would be 1 blower feeding a 2nd blower allowing for a total pressure ratio of 4, though cooling becomes an issue wish this.
.....................

Again, your basing this off a stock/mild cammed LSJ with either a gasket matched/smoothed exhaust ports. I don't blame you though, since I havn't shown you anything.

When I ran the TVS 1900 on a box stock LSJ, with a stock exhaust manifold, 2.5" catted dp, and stock catback with a stock intake. I was on a 3.6" pulley boosting 24-25 psi by 7000 rpm.

This placed the tvs 1900 far out of it's efficiency island... spinning it to a mere 12,600 rpm and robbing easily 100hp per the chart below.

I'll leave you with this for now, and let you think about it.

When all is said and done, the m62 on 2.5 pulley (typically 19-21 psi on a stock head and cams) will be 10 psi, most likely less.

and for the 1900:

8000 rpm x 6.78 crank (ati dampener) / 3.6 = 15.066xxxx S/C RPM




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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 07:15 AM
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Riddles and suspense, haha.
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 10:24 AM
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No, riddles and I'm not saying the 1900 wont work, just that I think thats the limit we could really use based on what we can actually flow though the head. After seeing these graphs I changed by backup plan from m90 to this if I dont get 350hp on my theoretical build, like the engine builder program says I will. I should see if I saved that engine because it would be real easy to pop this blower on it so we can start guessing power for realz. Based on the 2nd graph there, I'm guessing you're going to somehow see the pr1 to pr1.1 area for boost.
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