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Old 07-18-2007, 03:10 PM
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The "Supercooler" was designed and built specifically for this project. We have had to deal with clearance issues as well as the mounting brakets as it isn't lite. Of course in this case the benifits far out weigh the drawbacks.
Once the car is done and we have the opportunity to track test it, it will be available for other's to buy. Sadly, that won't likely happen this track season.
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:58 PM
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How cool do the top fins need to be? Are the cooling fins going to cool better than running liquid cooling over it? This is the way I've done it before. Any fan over the cooling fins?

By cooling fins I mean the heat sink on the other side.
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cybcow View Post
How cool do the top fins need to be? Are the cooling fins going to cool better than running liquid cooling over it? This is the way I've done it before. Any fan over the cooling fins?

By cooling fins I mean the heat sink on the other side.
Here is a pic of the other side. Those two fans will keep the fins plenty cool.

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Old 07-18-2007, 04:51 PM
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that is so funny. i was thinking how cool it would be one day to see a TEC used for cooling liquid for cars. I built a tec to super cool a can of beer in seconds and i figured it could be used for other things lol. glad to see it being put to good use. usually those things need a good rail with decent power. i know my one tec for my cpu needs its own beast power supply. how much is that thing drawing atm?
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:44 PM
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that is so funny. i was thinking how cool it would be one day to see a TEC used for cooling liquid for cars. I built a tec to super cool a can of beer in seconds and i figured it could be used for other things lol. glad to see it being put to good use. usually those things need a good rail with decent power. i know my one tec for my cpu needs its own beast power supply. how much is that thing drawing atm?
I haven't asked that yet because of the improvments they are doing this week. In the beginning we were talking about it running on it's own battery. It is definitely a beast as far as power goes. We are going with a larger alternator to insure we can meet the demand.
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:54 PM
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what alt u looking at? got an ohio gen on the way right now
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:59 PM
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what alt u looking at? got an ohio gen on the way right now
I don't know the name, I never really thought to ask. I do know that the output will be about a third more than stock.
I will check into which one we are going with. Then again, it could end up being something JBP wants to keep under wraps for now, just like the water pump that we are using.
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by impulseballer View Post
that is so funny. i was thinking how cool it would be one day to see a TEC used for cooling liquid for cars. I built a tec to super cool a can of beer in seconds and i figured it could be used for other things lol. glad to see it being put to good use. usually those things need a good rail with decent power. i know my one tec for my cpu needs its own beast power supply. how much is that thing drawing atm?
The unit is drawing 48 amps and will be hard wired directly to the battery for the power.

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what alt u looking at? got an ohio gen on the way right now
I checked and we are actually going to use the stock alternator housing but only after seriously beefing up the internal components.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:59 PM
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nice... is there going to be any impact in reliability or anything like that? I never even thought of getting the stock alt rewound for more amps but that would be a nice idea too
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impulseballer, I made a thread about doing something exactly like Victory is doing a year and a half ago. And victory, what the hell are they doing to pull 48 amps?!

I actually did the math when I did the thread and ~100 watts worth of TEC would be more than enough. Throw on another 20 watts tops for the fan and larger pump, and your looking at 120w. Thats 10a from the battery or 8.5a from the alternator.

Stinger makes 150a alternators that fit the SS/SC. You could always consider getting one of those. They can even custom make a bigger one.
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Originally Posted by EmperorJJ1 View Post
nice... is there going to be any impact in reliability or anything like that? I never even thought of getting the stock alt rewound for more amps but that would be a nice idea too
The "improvments" are being done by a specialist and the changes basically make the alternator the same as a larger one. More info when it is done.
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impulseballer, I made a thread about doing something exactly like Victory is doing a year and a half ago. And victory, what the hell are they doing to pull 48 amps?!

I actually did the math when I did the thread and ~100 watts worth of TEC would be more than enough. Throw on another 20 watts tops for the fan and larger pump, and your looking at 120w. Thats 10a from the battery or 8.5a from the alternator.

Stinger makes 150a alternators that fit the SS/SC. You could always consider getting one of those. They can even custom make a bigger one.
Remember, we are going extreme (something about twin turbo/750whp) and the unit will be pushing 800 watts of cooling and 2 big fans. That being considered, with your calculations, we are doing great keeping down to 48amps.
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Old 07-21-2007, 05:41 AM
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If your peaking at 800 watts of draw, that is 67 amps from the battery or 55.5 from the alternator at peak. Ouch. My designed peaked at 10 amps from the battery, with a normal draw of 3~4 amps. However I do see where your coming from with the turbos. I didn't need to get ride of nearly as much heat.
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Originally Posted by InfinityzeN View Post
If your peaking at 800 watts of draw, that is 67 amps from the battery or 55.5 from the alternator at peak. Ouch. My designed peaked at 10 amps from the battery, with a normal draw of 3~4 amps. However I do see where your coming from with the turbos. I didn't need to get ride of nearly as much heat.
it's probably always going to be different than a design. And I'm sure the cooling power with only drawing 3-4 amps wouldn't be that useful.
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3-4amps was the sustained. It would ramp up as the temp of the coolant went up.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS View Post
Here is a pic of the other side. Those two fans will keep the fins plenty cool.


That is so F#$%in cool.
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cybcow View Post
That is so F#$%in cool.
And hopefully it works even better than it works.

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Okay people we have a web site that will have periodic pics as the conversion progresses.
The company, Distinct Images - Custom Auto Builders, is the one working through Keith Losier's company, TheAutoDreamGroup.
The website also has other projects that they have done or are working on. Check them out, as well as one certain Cobalt, which looks a tad bit naked right now.
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Any reason why you're going live axle? A 86-90 Supra IRS system would fit nicely, and handle! I've considered such a conversion on a Daytona before...
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Any reason why you're going live axle? A 86-90 Supra IRS system would fit nicely, and handle! I've considered such a conversion on a Daytona before...
The one thing I have heard far too often during this project is "you can't have both, it's either handling or straight-line performance."
I keep saying I don't care, I want both.
The choice is to lean as far each way as possible, accepting that I sacrifice something along the way.
The handling should work out to be as close to that of a stock SS/SC. This means giving up sometime on the dragstrip.
At the same time I will be doing somethings that are meant to give me better reliability on the drag strip, 4link suspension instead of complete independant suspension. This means giving up handling that is superior to a stock SS/SC.
I am also going to use a Auburn posi diff instead of a straight locking diff, again sacrificing some track speed for street drive-ability.
While I am planning on racing the car, I am not going for any records or championships, on either a drag strip or a road track. I simply want a strong, reliable car that will allow me to have lots of fun when I am on either the drag strip or mountain highways (I don't plan on racing on road courses)
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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS View Post
The one thing I have heard far too often during this project is "you can't have both, it's either handling or straight-line performance."
I keep saying I don't care, I want both.
The choice is to lean as far each way as possible, accepting that I sacrifice something along the way.
The handling should work out to be as close to that of a stock SS/SC. This means giving up sometime on the dragstrip.
At the same time I will be doing somethings that are meant to give me better reliability on the drag strip, 4link suspension instead of complete independant suspension. This means giving up handling that is superior to a stock SS/SC.
I am also going to use a Auburn posi diff instead of a straight locking diff, again sacrificing some track speed for street drive-ability.
While I am planning on racing the car, I am not going for any records or championships, on either a drag strip or a road track. I simply want a strong, reliable car that will allow me to have lots of fun when I am on either the drag strip or mountain highways (I don't plan on racing on road courses)
I understand, but also keep in mind that there are quite a few 11, 10 and 9 second Supras that still carry the IRS. It's all good though, a RWD Cobalt in any incarnation will be interesting, I look forward to seeing the results!
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Racing wheels

These are my first choice for my racing wheels. These are for the track only rubber, and the odd sunny day with the drag radials. These are from Boyd Coddington.
What do you all think???
http://www.billetwheel.com/cgi/wheel...ion&img=4&tn=1


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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS View Post
These are my first choice for my racing wheels. These are for the track only rubber, and the odd sunny day with the drag radials. These are from Boyd Coddington.
What do you all think???
http://www.billetwheel.com/cgi/wheel...ion&img=4&tn=1



Very sweet indeed!
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im going to vote no... they do look nice but for all the custom stuff done to the balt and the price of boyd coddington (unless they went down when i was looking at them a few years back) i wouldnt get a rim that looks so similar to the mustang style one because they are everywhere
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im going to vote no also. look like every other mustang wheels out there. what about these??http://www.billetwheel.com/cgi/wheel...ies&img=2&tn=1
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hey man I think the wheels look hot.
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have the same offset as the front. this way it confuses people when they look at the side of it.
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