ZZP Did What?
04-06-2011, 02:41 PM
#254
As far as the rods info, there are more than a few companies who make excellent rods.
Ditto for pistons.
ZZP made a girdle for the bottom end. Their own design?
Lingenfelter was running well in excess of 1000 hp from the ecotec in the car he was eventually killed in a few years back. It was a RWD deal, run in the now defunct NHRA Sport Compact series. He had GM backing. I wonder how they kept the bottom end alive? Hard to find info on his setup. I'm not sure, but I think they went into the sixes with this. I saw him run at Woodburn dragstrip.....it was quite impressive. A Pro Stock car with a turbo 4.
RIP John.
Ron
Ditto for pistons.
ZZP made a girdle for the bottom end. Their own design?
Lingenfelter was running well in excess of 1000 hp from the ecotec in the car he was eventually killed in a few years back. It was a RWD deal, run in the now defunct NHRA Sport Compact series. He had GM backing. I wonder how they kept the bottom end alive? Hard to find info on his setup. I'm not sure, but I think they went into the sixes with this. I saw him run at Woodburn dragstrip.....it was quite impressive. A Pro Stock car with a turbo 4.
RIP John.
Ron
04-06-2011, 07:15 PM
#257
I should pick up those books.
I am duly impressed with the ZZP results. I'm not so sure that thing would be real street friendly, but it's an interesting thought.
And we used to think crotch rockets were fast!
Ron
I am duly impressed with the ZZP results. I'm not so sure that thing would be real street friendly, but it's an interesting thought.
And we used to think crotch rockets were fast!
Ron
04-07-2011, 01:27 PM
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Yes, we are using reputable companies. We tried going to Rods R Us, but they were too busy.
As far as the springs go, I run ZZP springs past 8000 RPM regularly. We've had more Supertech failures than ZZP spring failure here, but Ryan still runs them. A lot of times the issue lies somewhere else.
As far as the springs go, I run ZZP springs past 8000 RPM regularly. We've had more Supertech failures than ZZP spring failure here, but Ryan still runs them. A lot of times the issue lies somewhere else.
Since you refuse to release who makes these rods it is a fair question, these could be outsourced to anyone as far as anyone that doesn't work for ZZP is concerned.
To some of us simply being "ZZP Rods" isn't reasuring enough to purchase them, and since you made that little joke, after your valve springs 100% failure rate in cammed 2.2 Ecotecs on J-Body.org.
04-07-2011, 01:35 PM
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I kinda thought "rods-r-us" was funny 
I can understand them wanting to be tight lipped on their supplier - because if their supplier will sell to the public, then using their name will pretty much guarantee a lost sale.
I can also see your end of things ~ I was interested in another item they offer, but since they wouldn't share with me the... umm, specs (let's leave it at that), I am not going to buy...
IMHO;
With some things you need to know more precisely what you're getting - but I don't know that I would put rods in that category;
With a rod all you're looking at is the metal/composition, the oiling provisions, and the rod cap/bolt assembly;
Considering the abuse they put this engine through, that in and of itself is a testament towards them holding up plenty well.
Since rods should always be checked/resized before using, the only thing that you might want to concern yourself with is if you want to "upgrade" to an ARP rod bolt ~ assuming that's not what they already come with...
But hey, that's just my two cents worth.
I can understand them wanting to be tight lipped on their supplier - because if their supplier will sell to the public, then using their name will pretty much guarantee a lost sale.
I can also see your end of things ~ I was interested in another item they offer, but since they wouldn't share with me the... umm, specs (let's leave it at that), I am not going to buy...
IMHO;
With some things you need to know more precisely what you're getting - but I don't know that I would put rods in that category;
With a rod all you're looking at is the metal/composition, the oiling provisions, and the rod cap/bolt assembly;
Considering the abuse they put this engine through, that in and of itself is a testament towards them holding up plenty well.
Since rods should always be checked/resized before using, the only thing that you might want to concern yourself with is if you want to "upgrade" to an ARP rod bolt ~ assuming that's not what they already come with...
But hey, that's just my two cents worth.
04-07-2011, 02:33 PM
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I kinda thought "rods-r-us" was funny
I can understand them wanting to be tight lipped on their supplier - because if their supplier will sell to the public, then using their name will pretty much guarantee a lost sale.
I can also see your end of things ~ I was interested in another item they offer, but since they wouldn't share with me the... umm, specs (let's leave it at that), I am not going to buy...
IMHO;
With some things you need to know more precisely what you're getting - but I don't know that I would put rods in that category;
With a rod all you're looking at is the metal/composition, the oiling provisions, and the rod cap/bolt assembly;
Considering the abuse they put this engine through, that in and of itself is a testament towards them holding up plenty well.
Since rods should always be checked/resized before using, the only thing that you might want to concern yourself with is if you want to "upgrade" to an ARP rod bolt ~ assuming that's not what they already come with...
But hey, that's just my two cents worth.
I can understand them wanting to be tight lipped on their supplier - because if their supplier will sell to the public, then using their name will pretty much guarantee a lost sale.
I can also see your end of things ~ I was interested in another item they offer, but since they wouldn't share with me the... umm, specs (let's leave it at that), I am not going to buy...
IMHO;
With some things you need to know more precisely what you're getting - but I don't know that I would put rods in that category;
With a rod all you're looking at is the metal/composition, the oiling provisions, and the rod cap/bolt assembly;
Considering the abuse they put this engine through, that in and of itself is a testament towards them holding up plenty well.
Since rods should always be checked/resized before using, the only thing that you might want to concern yourself with is if you want to "upgrade" to an ARP rod bolt ~ assuming that's not what they already come with...
But hey, that's just my two cents worth.
As a statment the clearance was 100% perfect for the crank end ( .001) as it was supposed ot be when i installed, only thing i had to do was pin fit due to running diampond pistons. Time will tell how they hold up but i can tell you thats the least of my worries.
If you dont want them, dont use them but i think this thread has backed up the strength of the rods and so will further testing. Find another vendor that is working withe these cars as much as zzp. ( not directed towards you jon)
04-07-2011, 04:46 PM
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Good joke....
Since you refuse to release who makes these rods it is a fair question, these could be outsourced to anyone as far as anyone that doesn't work for ZZP is concerned.
To some of us simply being "ZZP Rods" isn't reasuring enough to purchase them, and since you made that little joke, after your valve springs 100% failure rate in cammed 2.2 Ecotecs on J-Body.org.
Since you refuse to release who makes these rods it is a fair question, these could be outsourced to anyone as far as anyone that doesn't work for ZZP is concerned.
To some of us simply being "ZZP Rods" isn't reasuring enough to purchase them, and since you made that little joke, after your valve springs 100% failure rate in cammed 2.2 Ecotecs on J-Body.org.
100% failure rate. lol. I suppose someone pulled the valve cover and found 16 broken springs. Good one. Either way, as I said before, we have 100% success with our 78 lb valvesprings. The fact that a certain type of build has experienced some issues tells me that the issue is not the springs, but rather something overlooked that is not compatible.
04-07-2011, 04:49 PM
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I kinda thought "rods-r-us" was funny
I can understand them wanting to be tight lipped on their supplier - because if their supplier will sell to the public, then using their name will pretty much guarantee a lost sale.
I can also see your end of things ~ I was interested in another item they offer, but since they wouldn't share with me the... umm, specs (let's leave it at that), I am not going to buy...
IMHO;
With some things you need to know more precisely what you're getting - but I don't know that I would put rods in that category;
With a rod all you're looking at is the metal/composition, the oiling provisions, and the rod cap/bolt assembly;
Considering the abuse they put this engine through, that in and of itself is a testament towards them holding up plenty well.
Since rods should always be checked/resized before using, the only thing that you might want to concern yourself with is if you want to "upgrade" to an ARP rod bolt ~ assuming that's not what they already come with...
But hey, that's just my two cents worth.
I can understand them wanting to be tight lipped on their supplier - because if their supplier will sell to the public, then using their name will pretty much guarantee a lost sale.
I can also see your end of things ~ I was interested in another item they offer, but since they wouldn't share with me the... umm, specs (let's leave it at that), I am not going to buy...
IMHO;
With some things you need to know more precisely what you're getting - but I don't know that I would put rods in that category;
With a rod all you're looking at is the metal/composition, the oiling provisions, and the rod cap/bolt assembly;
Considering the abuse they put this engine through, that in and of itself is a testament towards them holding up plenty well.
Since rods should always be checked/resized before using, the only thing that you might want to concern yourself with is if you want to "upgrade" to an ARP rod bolt ~ assuming that's not what they already come with...
But hey, that's just my two cents worth.
04-07-2011, 04:50 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, if these rods can push over 600-898whp for 60 dyno pulls, they're just fine for the typical 500whp application. Now, of course running these rods at 900whp day to day would be absurd for longevity, but I don't think there is anything to worry about in a DD car with anywhere under 500-600whp.
Let me add to this, that even a 600whp build on a 4 cyl is not built for reliability. Nothing is guaranteed when you crank the boost.
Let me add to this, that even a 600whp build on a 4 cyl is not built for reliability. Nothing is guaranteed when you crank the boost.
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04-07-2011, 04:56 PM
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Cam specs have been posted for months. I'm not sure why you feel that we won't share them with you.
04-07-2011, 05:04 PM
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I didn't say what it was because (frankly) I didn't want to dredge another topic into this one;
I thought I was polite, yet relatively vauge about it;
I stopped watching that other thread some time ago...
I just looked, and sure enough the advertised duration and lift are there;
I can see that they can now also be ordered by themselves!
Thank you very much for letting me know this!
04-07-2011, 05:14 PM
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rockin 900fwhp on the street isn't any safer than 1500 rwhp. just proves to everyone else you have the biggest dick, and the ***** to run it. rolling burn outs down the highway scare off a lot of people who "think" they have enough to hang.
to everyone else who thinks this level of whp is cheap. you have no idea
04-07-2011, 05:25 PM
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dyno numbers sell product. we both know that. the lsx guys are HUGE dyno junkies. the truck guys {especially the 6.2 ones} are even worse. you crack off 750rwhp with a bolt on turbo kit, mild cam, and head studs for less than 7k on cost. you struck a gold mine in that world.
rockin 900fwhp on the street isn't any safer than 1500 rwhp. just proves to everyone else you have the biggest dick, and the ***** to run it. rolling burn outs down the highway scare off a lot of people who "think" they have enough to hang.
to everyone else who thinks this level of whp is cheap. you have no idea
rockin 900fwhp on the street isn't any safer than 1500 rwhp. just proves to everyone else you have the biggest dick, and the ***** to run it. rolling burn outs down the highway scare off a lot of people who "think" they have enough to hang.
to everyone else who thinks this level of whp is cheap. you have no idea
04-07-2011, 05:27 PM
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Good joke....
Since you refuse to release who makes these rods it is a fair question, these could be outsourced to anyone as far as anyone that doesn't work for ZZP is concerned.
To some of us simply being "ZZP Rods" isn't reasuring enough to purchase them, and since you made that little joke, after your valve springs 100% failure rate in cammed 2.2 Ecotecs on J-Body.org.
Since you refuse to release who makes these rods it is a fair question, these could be outsourced to anyone as far as anyone that doesn't work for ZZP is concerned.
To some of us simply being "ZZP Rods" isn't reasuring enough to purchase them, and since you made that little joke, after your valve springs 100% failure rate in cammed 2.2 Ecotecs on J-Body.org.
04-07-2011, 05:44 PM
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lol, yeah I don't think Ryan has any plans to test out 50+psi boost on the street. We had to use slicks, 4th gear, and thousands of pounds of force pulling the car down on the rollers to keep the tires from spinning. Even if the power was use-able on the street, the trans would fail in the first couple hits. Then even if the trans was able to hold up, that was the level that caused motor issues to start to arrise. It basically just teaches us what we can't do on the street more than what we can.
it won't break with street tires.
then again. it wouldn't do anything.
auto trans swap. 700whp. 9 sec fwd street car, maybe faster.
04-07-2011, 07:11 PM
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I was there during their early runs on April 1st while waiting to have my clutch installed...the sound of that beast made the wait enjoyable...Congrats guys! 
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04-08-2011, 06:23 AM
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and amen on the street tires, I had to rock mickey's on the street at only 450whp just to make the car go anywhere. even then it would still spin up through 4th gear if the tires weren't heated up good.
