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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 07:25 PM
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 09:03 PM
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Bingo. Only way to get a manual right now is to get a base ("LS") Cruze with the 1.8 in it. makes less torque than the 1.4 cuz its not turbo'd
The Eco trim comes with the 1.4t and a 6 speed manual trans. funny thing is it costs $4,000 less then the LTZ trim or $3,000 if you get it with the auto trans.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by riko540
The Eco trim comes with the 1.4t and a 6 speed manual trans. funny thing is it costs $4,000 less then the LTZ trim or $3,000 if you get it with the auto trans.
The eco version is supposed to be cheaper, it's an LS with a better transmission ratio and a few mileage improvements. It's not designed to be better than an LTZ, the Chevy website is misleading.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by umrdyldo
The eco version is supposed to be cheaper, it's an LS with a better transmission ratio and a few mileage improvements. It's not designed to be better than an LTZ, the Chevy website is misleading.
Except the Eco has the 1.4L Turbo and the LS has the 1.8.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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I really dont understand why everyone is getting so excited over this 1.4l engine. I seriously doubt it will even come close to he tolerence levels of the LSJ or the LNF.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 12:39 AM
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I really dont understand why everyone is getting so excited over this 1.4l engine. I seriously doubt it will even come close to he tolerence levels of the LSJ or the LNF.
That's not why they're excited. It's the replacement to the Cobalt. They just want to see what it can do.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 12:41 AM
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In for results! May concider an aveo rs down the road. Maybe after ZZP does the first turbo swap.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 09:32 AM
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i wanna know if it'll take a 100 shot of nitrous!
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 10:28 AM
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i wanna know if it'll take a 100 shot of nitrous!
LOL with a 10.3 A/F and only 8* of spark advance it might be reasonably safe for a while anyway. I wonder if the ECM would sense the 100 ft/lbs torque output increase?
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by riko540
The Eco trim comes with the 1.4t and a 6 speed manual trans. funny thing is it costs $4,000 less then the LTZ trim or $3,000 if you get it with the auto trans.
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1.8=6 speed manual trans, 4 speed auto
1.4t=6 speed auto trans
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:02 AM
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^ I will correct myself they DO offer the 1.4T in a 6 speed manual trans. When wife and I went out to test drive one they told us that they didn't offer the 1.4TC in anything but auto. Guess the sales man (like always) didn't know what he was talking about.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by philupondes
^ I will correct myself they DO offer the 1.4T in a 6 speed manual trans. When wife and I went out to test drive one they told us that they didn't offer the 1.4TC in anything but auto. Guess the sales man (like always) didn't know what he was talking about.
In his defense, it seems that GM doesn't even know. They keep changing their minds.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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yea the sale man said they didn't offer it, but on a few different web sites I have found today that said that the ECO would be available this fall/winter with the 1.4tc 6 speed manual.

But either way we test drove the Buick Regal turbo and we both liked it more than the cruze. We are still going to test drive the new genesis sedan (she likes not me) before we make another trade, but what ever we get will be the last for a long time.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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RIGHT NOW you can only get the 1.4L with a 6spd auto (6T30/40). When the ECO becomes available it will have the M32 wide ratio with 3.55 final and .61 6th gear, starting around January they will be building all 1.4s with the M32 WR with slightly different gearing. (The M32-WR in the 1.8 LS cars has yet another completely different gearset)
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Maven
RIGHT NOW you can only get the 1.4L with a 6spd auto (6T30/40). When the ECO becomes available it will have the M32 wide ratio with 3.55 final and .61 6th gear, starting around January they will be building all 1.4s with the M32 WR with slightly different gearing. (The M32-WR in the 1.8 LS cars has yet another completely different gearset)
what Maven said. All Cruze's will have a 6 speed manual option within the next 2 months. There has not been any information sent from GM to Dealers so salsemen are likely unaware of this.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
LOL with a 10.3 A/F and only 8* of spark advance it might be reasonably safe for a while anyway. I wonder if the ECM would sense the 100 ft/lbs torque output increase?
LOL

<geekytunertalk>

The ECM's main input to torque calculation is the MAF signal, so spraying NOS would not be detected unless you sprayed through the MAF.

Yes, this also means a hacky tuning trick to get more "torque" (in the form of boost) is to rescale the MAF to underreport airflow, and add the fuel you'd lose back in at the PE table. These cars are open loop in PE mode, unlike the LNF so you can get away with this.

This trick alone added a few PSI of boost, but it's obviously not the "right way" to tune these.

But aftermarket intake systems that cause airflow to be under-reported will cause an increase in boost, and power, and likely help correct the ridiculously rich fuel mixture.

</geekytunertalk>
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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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I want an LNF Cruze coupe that is the Turbalt's handling equal. When they show up at the dealerships so will I.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 03:01 AM
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a higher octane rating is NOT always better tho...
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by VinceTrifecta
LOL

<geekytunertalk>

The ECM's main input to torque calculation is the MAF signal, so spraying NOS would not be detected unless you sprayed through the MAF.

Yes, this also means a hacky tuning trick to get more "torque" (in the form of boost) is to rescale the MAF to underreport airflow, and add the fuel you'd lose back in at the PE table. These cars are open loop in PE mode, unlike the LNF so you can get away with this.

This trick alone added a few PSI of boost, but it's obviously not the "right way" to tune these.

But aftermarket intake systems that cause airflow to be under-reported will cause an increase in boost, and power, and likely help correct the ridiculously rich fuel mixture.

</geekytunertalk>
woot, normal oldschool tricking the ecu FTW!
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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Update: Over the weekend I ironed out the driveability issues and have it running at 22psi solid. Am taking to the dyno in the next few hours, and should have dyno sheets later today
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 02:42 PM
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 02:55 PM
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Already subd, but...... subd. lol
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 03:05 PM
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