jonathan923

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mmm yea i think i want a 5.0

Terminator2

The front bumper is done. I decided to get rid of the mustang and the center cross bar. Here is what it looks like now. Looks meaner in person IMO.



Now my intake can finally breathe. It is hard to believe it ever got any airflow before with how many things were obstructing it. The fog lights, bumper support and the grille itself blocked at least 80% of the opening. As for water intrusion issues, I took a garden hose on full blast and filled it up with water for about 3 seconds and then took it out and the water instantly drained back out which is a very good thing.

DerekDTP!

Not too bad man,!does look better too, not a fan of the front pony emblem

Terminator2

Looks kinda like this grille but a free mod not $200 LOL.
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Terminator2

My car has its first mod now at 1500 miles (no SCT pro racer software just yet) I just installed an Airaid CAI. Lots of people say there is no noticeable difference adding an intake to the new 5.0s because they say the stock airbox flows really well. I say that is complete BS because the factory box and filter is smaller than the airbox and filter on my 3.6L V6 Avenger LOL. First impressions are very good. I deleted the sound tube and the car sounds so much nicer now, no more part throttle rasp and no weird "person drumming on the firewall" sound at WOT. .

As for power and drivability there is a noticeable difference for sure. I can short shift it at 1800-2K in every gear now with no bogging like it used to do even shifting from 4th to 5th at 38-40 MPH and I had to pass a school bus this morning up a slight hill and I went from 45-90 MPH in 3rd gear and it did not seem to bog as much when I hit it at 45 MPH in 3rd (3000 rpms) and it seems to pull harder and smoother throughout vs before. I can guarantee that with a 90 mm throttle body, Boss 302 Intake Mani, Long tubes, Catless X pipe, Catback, and an aggressive E-85 tune that the intake is worth at least 25 whp (especially on the top end) and 25 wrtq (especially in the low end) over the stock airbox. On an otherwise stock car on stock tune the airaid is probably worth about 12-14 whp and 15 wtrq.

DerekDTP!

I'm sure you'll see 450+whp with those mods easy, I put down 434 on a 93oct conservative tune from Shaun at AED


also heard the same with intakes, I read there are gains on the dyno but no improvements with track numbers, I personally love mine, I have the JLT CAI, love hearing the beast breath haha

Terminator2

I do not know about track times but yesterday when I was heading home from work I tried giving it 3/4 throttle in 1st from a 10MPH roll (~1800 RPMs) and it just spun like mad. Normally it would just barely scratch the tires if I stabbed it from a slow roll in 1st with my 3:31 gears. Then on a different road I went from a 30 roll in 2nd gear (~3000 RPMs) just to see how it would respond and it broke loose in 2nd from 30-60 when I let off. 2 days before I did the same thing on that exact same spot on that road and when I nailed it in 2nd it did not spin at all in same 74* temps outside.

DerekDTP!

Nice, with your grill set up it probably gaining even more, traction is pathetic with my 373s, I sometimes wish I had 331s lol

Red_SS/TC

I love my 3.31's I went to the track last night and already ran what my fully bolt on ss/tc did, but completely bone stock not even launching just taking off from idle. I have so many things I want to do but I can't even decide what to go with first. I'm stuck between a magnaflow comp catback, diablo intune with a jpc custom tune, or an intake and a grille. Derek your so lucky you got your car with the mods you did.

DerekDTP!

Catless H or X pipe and a tune and you're good for 415whp, cutting 11.8s in the quarter with tires, get a AED tune, those are the best tunes for these cars and Shaun is an awesome guy


Thanks man, I'm happy I got it the way I did haha or it'd be stock because now I have a baby on the way... I was about to pull the trigger on a nitrous kit

Terminator2

I ordered my SCT pro racer software on saturday. As long as it comes in a timely fashion I should have my E-85 base tune file loaded and ready for tweaks by the end of the week. Hopefully I can make around 435 whp and 400 wrtq with just the Airaid and an aggressive E-85 tune.

DerekDTP!

Noice, throw a mid pipe on it and gain like 15whp on top of that haha

Terminator2

I know at 70 MPH and above it pulls a lot faster now. I did a run from 25-100MPH starting in 2nd gear (2500 RPMs in 2nd so it bogged a little bit). Normally when I shift from 2nd to 3rd it slows a little. Not anymore it just keeps on pulling until it smacks my stock limiter. I am going to raise it to 7400 RPM so I stop hitting it LOL. Stock intake mani drops off at 6700-6800 but with the airaid and E-85 tune it will not be as big of a drop as it is right now so shifting at 7100-7200 should be faster than shifting at 6800 is right now. My factory limiter hits at 6850 according to my HP tuners scanner and the ECM starts closing the throttle to 85% at about 6600 it seems.

Terminator2

Yeah with E-85 I should make around 30 whp and 35 wrtq more than my car would make with the same mods tuned on 93 octane I would expect with LTs, catless midpipe, and catback added it will make around 465 whp and 435 wrtq. I hope with a Boss 302 IM and 85-90 mm TB on top of those other mods that it will come out to 480 whp and 415 wrtq on E-85 (I know it will loose peak torque with the Boss IM) and by that point I know I will certainly need 47 lb/hr injectors to keep up with fueling demands. I would like to crack the 500 whp mark NA but that will require heads and cams.

DerekDTP!

Yeah we were comparing my dyno sheet with a boss 302 mani stang and you can see my trq numbers drop around 6700rpms but his stays steady, once I get situated with the baby and what not, the mani and 100shot will be ordered, also thinking about e85, gonna wait to see what your car does, because that mod will be almost free ahah, just a 15mile drive and an email to my tuner

DerekDTP!

Btw what mix are you going with? 50/50? 25/75?

Terminator2

I want to do full E-85 if the stock injectors can handle it. I believe based on what I have seen that they can keep up to about 460 whp on E-85 if I keep the PE lambda at 0.87-0.88 which is leaner than the stock PE lambda values I believe but I have not seen a coyote stock tune file yet. I just know stock timing is 38-42* at cruise and and 17-21* at WOT. If E-85 is too much I will back off to E-47 because it will still make about the same amount power as E-85 but just more of a PITA to fill up half and half all the time. I am going to fill up with E-85 so the first mix will likely be around E-67 with the couple gallons of gas that will be left in the tank so as long as I am not at 95% IDC with the first mix it should be just fine. With the stock fuel pump jumping from 12-19V at WOT like a KB boost a pump I am quite sure that fuel pressure drops will be a non issue and I am quite comfortable running the IDC out to close to max because of this.

Terminator2

Yeah E-85 is an almost free mod just a 25% increase in fuel cost per week but you have to pay to play and for me the idea of 30 whp and 35 wrtq over a 93 octane tune ( the reality is it is worth around 55 whp and 60 wrtq over stock) is just too good to pass up even considering the extra $15-20 a week in fuel costs it shold be well worth it IMO.

DerekDTP!

Very well worth it, will the stock injectors handles like a 50/50 or a 25/75 mix?

Terminator2

50/50 (E-47) mix should be easy because 13% less fuel demand vs E-85. I have heard a couple people say you need 47 lb/hr injectors to run E-85 but I have seen 2 cars using completely stock fuel systems dyno over 400 whp the one car made 456 whp on full E-85 with LTs, X pipe and tune back in 2010 when they did not even have injector tuning support yet.

DerekDTP!

Yeah I was talking to a buddy about it and he mentioned most people using 47lb injectors, trying to see if its possible to run with stock injectors

Terminator2

The only E-85 station within 100 miles of me is out of E-85. I think they may not carry it anymore due to lack of interest which sucks. Tuning it on 93 octane right now. Will do E-85 down the road if I can but as of right now it is not an option.

DerekDTP!

Yeah there was a gate station that was decently close that had it but stopped but there's another that's just a couple miles further, imma talk to Shaun and just tune it for e85 so I have that tune when ever I feel like riding out.. Takes 5mins with the sct

Red_SS/TC

I have a station like 3 miles from my house and another like 10 miles away. To bad I dont even have a tune yet, I just spent all my money on a Magnaflow competition catback. I think it sounds so nice with the lethal o/r x pipe. Hey term how do you like the Airraid? Not sure which intake to get or if I should even get one period.

Terminator2

I like it a lot because it has the most room to grow of any CAI (unless you are going to go supercharged then you will use a different intake setup) the airad does not neck down to 3.5" like all the other intakes it is just over 4.0" at the smallest point (it has a 4.0" x 3.5" silicone coupler to fit the stock throttle body so if you add an accufab 84.5mm throttle body, a BBK 90 mm throttle body, or FRPP 90mm throttle body you will not have to run a 3.5" x 4.0" step up hose to run those throttle bodies just a 4.0" x 4.0" coupler. From what I know about fluid dynamics it hinders performance overall to have the intake neckdown to 3.5" then step back up to 4.0" at the throttle body as that slows intake air velocity right before the throttle blade which hurts response and overall torque output.

Tip though as you have a 2013 like me make damn sure you seal your hood vents completely on that side because tons of water will pour right onto the filter and will get sucked into the intake and flood the MAF which will cause the car to stall and sputter which will render it undrivable. Ask me how I know. It does not matter what brand you get they all will get wet if they have an open filter as all of them sit in the same spot. The only intake with a sealed box is K&N's intake but it has a tiny intake tube and filter which may not flow any better than stock IMHO.