ZZP Builds The Best LNF Mod Ever!
Lol. Love you too Matt.
So you talking the power you quote from your magic dyno or the numbers those cars do on an impartial, unbiased dyno when the customer gets their car back? There's usually about 100hp difference between those two. Hey guys, why do you think ZZP makes claims like what Matt just said above? Ever notice how ABSOLUTELY SURE they are that they make more power than anyone else? It's because they know they can manipulate the HP numbers higher than anyone else. Anyone that's that sure their HP numbers are higher than ANYONE else's is either ignorant or ???? I might know a little more about what goes on at ZZP than you might think.
Exactly. This is the part I had a problem with. You guys at ZZP have got all these guys holding their breath because of this thread. How long will it actually be before you have a working kit on the road? I'm betting a few of the guys that first saw this thread won't even own a car with an LNF by the time you have it ready for sale. Maybe YOU shouldn't have been so cocky with your title of the thread and the fact you had no idea of when you would actually be able to provide the "Best Mod Ever" to these members and customers. That's exactly the definition of "Vaporware", it's when the software or tech companies release information on their amazing new software or hardware, when they aren't actually even close to having a product to release. What it does is make all those hungry buyers wait for something that never comes to market or isn't what it was originally billed as.
You guys can call me whatever you want, I couldn't care less. I call 'em like I see 'em and nothing I've said is BS. It's either my opinion or it's fact. Take it or leave it.
So you talking the power you quote from your magic dyno or the numbers those cars do on an impartial, unbiased dyno when the customer gets their car back? There's usually about 100hp difference between those two. Hey guys, why do you think ZZP makes claims like what Matt just said above? Ever notice how ABSOLUTELY SURE they are that they make more power than anyone else? It's because they know they can manipulate the HP numbers higher than anyone else. Anyone that's that sure their HP numbers are higher than ANYONE else's is either ignorant or ???? I might know a little more about what goes on at ZZP than you might think.
Exactly. This is the part I had a problem with. You guys at ZZP have got all these guys holding their breath because of this thread. How long will it actually be before you have a working kit on the road? I'm betting a few of the guys that first saw this thread won't even own a car with an LNF by the time you have it ready for sale. Maybe YOU shouldn't have been so cocky with your title of the thread and the fact you had no idea of when you would actually be able to provide the "Best Mod Ever" to these members and customers. That's exactly the definition of "Vaporware", it's when the software or tech companies release information on their amazing new software or hardware, when they aren't actually even close to having a product to release. What it does is make all those hungry buyers wait for something that never comes to market or isn't what it was originally billed as.
You guys can call me whatever you want, I couldn't care less. I call 'em like I see 'em and nothing I've said is BS. It's either my opinion or it's fact. Take it or leave it.
Yeah definately dont like the bashing of zzp at all. I personally think its a smart way to go to prewarn customers that they are releasing a new option. If they would not have had a release date i would have never gotten a hold of my stage 2 trans and would have just gotten a stock one. Dont all companies do something similar. People though the stage transmission would take forever to come out. On the website they had a date posted of release. I called steve and let him know i wanted one and the minute it became available and before their due date they where available for ordering. And maybe prewarning customers gives them a chance to save up for a kit like this. Keep in mind its mostly young kids driving these cars and not adults.
And honestly i like it when vendors make me hold my breath, makes me look forward to whats coming up in the future.
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What were your dyno numbers on pump gas only? I know a few people running the EFR and all seem to be pretty close and i know you guys are running your head/cam combo so that helps a bunch.
I have worked all the bugs out of mine finally but i'm out of fuel pressure on full E85 and can only hold 50% throttle and it still goes in reduce power from low fuel rail pressure
Did you guys come out with the secondary injector kit yet or know of a way i can get this straightened out? On the upside I'm flowing over 50 maf lb/min @ half throttle lol so i know its gonna be a monster when running 100%
I have worked all the bugs out of mine finally but i'm out of fuel pressure on full E85 and can only hold 50% throttle and it still goes in reduce power from low fuel rail pressure
Did you guys come out with the secondary injector kit yet or know of a way i can get this straightened out? On the upside I'm flowing over 50 maf lb/min @ half throttle lol so i know its gonna be a monster when running 100%The maps ive have the 6758 topping out around 49-50 lb/min
Edit: ZZP said a couple pages back that he thought it was in the upper 50's but i think they were over 30psi but don't quote me on that matt can chime in with accurate info.
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Lol. Love you too Matt.
So you talking the power you quote from your magic dyno or the numbers those cars do on an impartial, unbiased dyno when the customer gets their car back? There's usually about 100hp difference between those two. Hey guys, why do you think ZZP makes claims like what Matt just said above? Ever notice how ABSOLUTELY SURE they are that they make more power than anyone else? It's because they know they can manipulate the HP numbers higher than anyone else. Anyone that's that sure their HP numbers are higher than ANYONE else's is either ignorant or ???? I might know a little more about what goes on at ZZP than you might think.
So you talking the power you quote from your magic dyno or the numbers those cars do on an impartial, unbiased dyno when the customer gets their car back? There's usually about 100hp difference between those two. Hey guys, why do you think ZZP makes claims like what Matt just said above? Ever notice how ABSOLUTELY SURE they are that they make more power than anyone else? It's because they know they can manipulate the HP numbers higher than anyone else. Anyone that's that sure their HP numbers are higher than ANYONE else's is either ignorant or ???? I might know a little more about what goes on at ZZP than you might think.
But you are right. There is a 100hp difference between actual power and what our dyno puts out.
I gues I really only made 259 on pump gas with the stock turbo. Somehow I managed to trap 119 later that day. Must be a bogus track, too. Keep spreading the word if it makes you feel better...
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What were your dyno numbers on pump gas only? I know a few people running the EFR and all seem to be pretty close and i know you guys are running your head/cam combo so that helps a bunch.
I have worked all the bugs out of mine finally but i'm out of fuel pressure on full E85 and can only hold 50% throttle and it still goes in reduce power from low fuel rail pressure Did you guys come out with the secondary injector kit yet or know of a way i can get this straightened out? On the upside I'm flowing over 50 maf lb/min @ half throttle lol so i know its gonna be a monster when running 100%
I have worked all the bugs out of mine finally but i'm out of fuel pressure on full E85 and can only hold 50% throttle and it still goes in reduce power from low fuel rail pressure
Did you guys come out with the secondary injector kit yet or know of a way i can get this straightened out? On the upside I'm flowing over 50 maf lb/min @ half throttle lol so i know its gonna be a monster when running 100%Drop your car off here. We will make it run right on E85. Our fuel pump lobe alone is worth 20%. We have more tuning capabilities than most in this area as well. 50 lbs/min? Thats enough airflow for over 500whp on the LNF with E85.
M-dubs is my tuner and he really didn't want to take it any farther till i hit a dyno to see where it was at so it didn't blow sky high lol.. But its def out of pressure the way it sits. And i have gained over 10 lb/min since M dubs got his hands on it and it was putting down 400/400 before so if it was 100% i wouldn't doubt 500whp.
Lol. Love you too Matt.
So you talking the power you quote from your magic dyno or the numbers those cars do on an impartial, unbiased dyno when the customer gets their car back? There's usually about 100hp difference between those two. Hey guys, why do you think ZZP makes claims like what Matt just said above? Ever notice how ABSOLUTELY SURE they are that they make more power than anyone else? It's because they know they can manipulate the HP numbers higher than anyone else. Anyone that's that sure their HP numbers are higher than ANYONE else's is either ignorant or ???? I might know a little more about what goes on at ZZP than you might think.
So you talking the power you quote from your magic dyno or the numbers those cars do on an impartial, unbiased dyno when the customer gets their car back? There's usually about 100hp difference between those two. Hey guys, why do you think ZZP makes claims like what Matt just said above? Ever notice how ABSOLUTELY SURE they are that they make more power than anyone else? It's because they know they can manipulate the HP numbers higher than anyone else. Anyone that's that sure their HP numbers are higher than ANYONE else's is either ignorant or ???? I might know a little more about what goes on at ZZP than you might think.
So did they manipulate this guys dyno which gave a higher reading then zzp's dyno?
Turbo Swap Cobalt Runs 11.43 at 126! - YouTube
Did he have a 100 hp less? Then what he stated?
Your opinion and your statements are false. Which kinda makes you a liar.
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FYI, according to the compressor map the max airflow the EFR 67mm compressor wheel is capable of is 48-50lbs/min
http://www.turbodriven.com/files/pdf...RTechPages.pdf
http://www.turbodriven.com/files/pdf...RTechPages.pdf
FYI, according to the compressor map the max airflow the EFR 67mm compressor wheel is capable of is 48-50lbs/min
http://www.turbodriven.com/files/pdf...RTechPages.pdf
http://www.turbodriven.com/files/pdf...RTechPages.pdf
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NME makes a great point. I dyno'd in the low 460s sae on our dyno, then drove straight to that open house where I dyno'd in the mid 490s sae on a Dynojet. Seemed about right to me.
The 6758 is under-rated. But that shouldn't be a surprise. The K04 is rated for less than we all push it to as well.
The 6758 is under-rated. But that shouldn't be a surprise. The K04 is rated for less than we all push it to as well.
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NME makes a great point. I dyno'd in the low 460s sae on our dyno, then drove straight to that open house where I dyno'd in the mid 490s sae on a Dynojet. Seemed about right to me.
The 6758 is under-rated. But that shouldn't be a surprise. The K04 is rated for less than we all push it to as well.
The 6758 is under-rated. But that shouldn't be a surprise. The K04 is rated for less than we all push it to as well.
/sarcasm lol
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Just out of curiosity does anyone know the full model number for the stock LNF turbo?
K04-????
What about the turbine wheel diameter and length?
I think its 46mm Diameter X 44mm length is that right?
--Christian
K04-????
What about the turbine wheel diameter and length?
I think its 46mm Diameter X 44mm length is that right?
--Christian
he remakes busted turbo and can build hybrids for us. He has all the specs on the Cobalts k04 on their website.