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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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Good luck man.
Ohhhhh no you don't get away that easy. I gonna be callin your ass up to come pull wrenches

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bet you are antsy for this motor
EXTREMELY!!! Lol

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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
Ohhhhh no you don't get away that easy. I gonna be callin your ass up to come pull wrenches l

Do it i have been waiting for the call, and waiting, and waiting.
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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
Ohhhhh no you don't get away that easy. I gonna be callin your ass up to come pull wrenches



EXTREMELY!!! Lol
That would be wise if you want your new built motor to ghost knock
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 04:36 PM
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Are you getting a 2.2L block?
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 04:51 PM
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 12:59 PM
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So I'm getting everything I line to get this motor together. Hopefully in one shot without needing more parts (god willing). Is getting the timing chain set from CED worth it? My stuff now has 100,000 kms on it. But wondering if its worth the $223? If anything I was just going to put a new tensioner in.
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
So I'm getting everything I line to get this motor together. Hopefully in one shot without needing more parts (god willing). Is getting the timing chain set from CED worth it? My stuff now has 100,000 kms on it. But wondering if its worth the $223? If anything I was just going to put a new tensioner in.
That's only about 62k miles for us dudes in the USA. I wouldn't worry about it to be honest but definitely the tensioner. I think the new style came in 07. The old style was the source of all my problems.

Come to think of it, my car had 6X,XXX miles when it stopped. Can't remember the exact since its been over 18 months.
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 08:25 PM
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After having a guide and tensioner break on my L61, I would at a minimum get a new tensioner, chain and the two lower camshaft timing guides. Should be a little bit cheaper than the full kit and it'll be a little extra piece of mind.
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 09:07 PM
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the 223 is worth every penny. chain, guides, new oilers, bolts etc all the things that need to be fixed.
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 09:25 PM
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^ this
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 09:39 PM
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the 223 is worth every penny. chain, guides, new oilers, bolts etc all the things that need to be fixed.
All of those things need to be fixed? Pretty pathetic of GM then. Thought the guides went because of the tensioner. All the more reason to sell.
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 09:42 PM
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Hes more saying if your going to spend the money on the build, might as well replace the little things as well not only for piece of mind, but also mileage wear and tear, and while your in the motor whynot? Not pathetic of GM, more of smart to do as a builder.
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 09:47 PM
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All of those things need to be fixed? Pretty pathetic of GM then. Thought the guides went because of the tensioner. All the more reason to sell.
some days i dont get it. Some folks buy a car; beat the crap out of it, rev it way higher than it needs to be revved, especially with an M62 blower that goes home at 6500 rpm.

Drag the car to mechanical over revs when down shifting with little or no skill.

Now you step up and call it pathetic that the front drive assembly for the dohc motor should be replaced in a rebuild ? For a measly 223.00 complete with everything you need?

Go buy a Honda civic and replace the waterpump, drive belts and all that stuff, for more money every 40k miles.

weird.

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sorry. merry christmas
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 10:51 PM
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I agree with Mr.Powell. I would replace every part and gasket that is vital to the motor running good. Just my 2 cents.

Buy the damn timing kit! lol it'll put you at ease if you start having doubts if you should have replaced those parts or not! lol
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 10:57 PM
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Powell is awesome lol!!! I'm glad there is still some people on here with brains and knowledge plus Powell makes bad ass ****
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Powell Race Parts
some days i dont get it. Some folks buy a car; beat the crap out of it, rev it way higher than it needs to be revved, especially with an M62 blower that goes home at 6500 rpm.

Drag the car to mechanical over revs when down shifting with little or no skill.

Now you step up and call it pathetic that the front drive assembly for the dohc motor should be replaced in a rebuild ? For a measly 223.00 complete with everything you need?

Go buy a Honda civic and replace the waterpump, drive belts and all that stuff, for more money every 40k miles.

weird.

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sorry. merry christmas
I call it pathetic because even the timing chain tensioner can fail by 60k. I call it pathetic because apparently even the guides can go too. I call it pathetic because I am one of many that have had this failure and guess what? I still have the stock pulley. I don't beat the **** out of my cars and I know where manufacturers fail. If I wanted a Honda I would have one. My SR20 motor was far more stout than this LSJ when you compare the two chain setups. My SRT has a belt system that has proven to be more reliable then this. BMW uses plastic impellers on their water pumps too. Who gives a **** dude, when a manufacturer makes something that is crappy, they should be called out on it. Like the recall for the electric power steering.

Just saying!
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 10:10 AM
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I just wasn't sure how crucial it was. Not that I didn't want to change it. Ill get the kit. That's guys.
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 10:25 AM
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When building a motor you leave no stone unturned. Guides and the tenshioner should be replaced. The motors open and it's worth the investment, safety of motor, and the piece of mind. If you don't you'll be paying for it later and wishing you did. Do it right the first time. It might cost more now. It will pay off.
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 05RallyYellowSS
I call it pathetic because even the timing chain tensioner can fail by 60k. I call it pathetic because apparently even the guides can go too. I call it pathetic because I am one of many that have had this failure and guess what? I still have the stock pulley. I don't beat the **** out of my cars and I know where manufacturers fail. If I wanted a Honda I would have one. My SR20 motor was far more stout than this LSJ when you compare the two chain setups. My SRT has a belt system that has proven to be more reliable then this. BMW uses plastic impellers on their water pumps too. Who gives a **** dude, when a manufacturer makes something that is crappy, they should be called out on it. Like the recall for the electric power steering.

Just saying!
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OneCOLDBIZL272
When building a motor you leave no stone unturned. Guides and the tenshioner should be replaced. The motors open and it's worth the investment, safety of motor, and the piece of mind. If you don't you'll be paying for it later and wishing you did. Do it right the first time. It might cost more now. It will pay off.
I agree 100%. Just can't say I've heard of a timing chain snap. Guides I have heard of them breaking but it's not a common thing at all. The tensioner failing is. That's why I asked.

I'm a small engine mechanic by trade and when rebuilding a motorcycle, atv or dirtbike changing a timing chain and guides isn't common at all. I do realize this is a different animal though.

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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
I agree 100%. Just can't say I've heard of a timing chain snap. Guides I have heard of them breaking but it's not a common thing at all. The tensioner failing is. That's why I asked.
It's not common for the chain to snap, but the point is you have close to 70k on the parts roughly. Timing chain is recommend to be looked at or replaced at 100k. It would just be Practical and wise to just replace it all. Tenshioner for sure for it was revised. It's worth doing to protect your investment in the build. It's just best practice when building a motor. When in doubt replace it out.
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 11:35 AM
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Ya for sure. If my motor went down due to neglecting a $200 kit I'd cry haha.
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
Ya for sure. If my motor went down due to neglecting a $200 kit I'd cry haha.
lol..How much did you pay for the tune that made your motor go down? I find that failure more reasonable than poor engineering or manufacturing of parts critical to the rotating assembly.... JUST SAYING!

When will you start rebuilding her?
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 11:36 PM
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I honestly agree with you. Hell I rebuild bike motors that spin to 15,000 rpm without replacing any of that. Buuuuut on the other end I'm dropping a good chunk of change on this build and would hate to see it go down because of something stupid. Piece of mind as everyone is saying. But will be replacing the assembly. I'm still collecting parts lol. ZZP actually hasn't sent my Cams and NBS out yet! They're still waiting on their shipment of cams. Hopefully my motor will be shipped out in the next few weeks

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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 12:13 PM
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I honestly agree with you. Hell I rebuild bike motors that spin to 15,000 rpm without replacing any of that. Buuuuut on the other end I'm dropping a good chunk of change on this build and would hate to see it go down because of something stupid. Piece of mind as everyone is saying. But will be replacing the assembly. I'm still collecting parts lol. ZZP actually hasn't sent my Cams and NBS out yet! They're still waiting on their shipment of cams. Hopefully my motor will be shipped out in the next few weeks
I'd replace the assembly too. Can't wait to see what you end up with.

Hurry up already before I regret selling mine because you hit 400WHP with that TVS.. lol

I kid, I kid..But seriously...lol
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