Hey donna just wondering if your shop is going to carry stage one and to and possibly do installs. get back to me.

Yes we will be carrying the stage upgrades and will also be offering new performance parts which are in development as we speak, Check our site often as we are getting new things every day,
Thank you for your interest and when the kits become available and are stocked i will post to let everyone know.
Thank you!

Yes we will be carrying the stage upgrades and will also be offering new performance parts which are in development as we speak, Check our site often as we are getting new things every day,
Thank you for your interest and when the kits become available and are stocked i will post to let everyone know.
Thank you!
how are vendors going to carry these kits if they CANT DO THE FLASH!
not pissing on the parade just stating the facts..?:bye:

how are vendors going to carry these kits if they CANT DO THE FLASH!
not pissing on the parade just stating the facts..?:bye:

guessing u'll still have to go to the dealer for the reflash.

guessing u'll still have to go to the dealer for the reflash.
but that still puts the question out, ok you buy it from internet dealer X and go to mr local dealer Y, you think the local dealer is going to be like, sure here's the flash FOR FREE..?

That is the real question:nono: :thumbsdow

but that still puts the question out, ok you buy it from internet dealer X and go to mr local dealer Y, you think the local dealer is going to be like, sure here's the flash FOR FREE..?

That is the real question:nono: :thumbsdow

agreed, wondering the same thing man, they almost need to have the kits sold at a cheaper price if it comes fromt a vendor.

I can easily see dealerships charging for an hours labor for a reflash.
Thats what Mine told them when I asked about getting a re-flash in the base balt.

They said it takes about a half hour, but they have to charge an hour minimum if it is not warranty work.

I can easily see dealerships charging for an hours labor for a reflash.
Thats what Mine told them when I asked about getting a re-flash in the base balt.

They said it takes about a half hour, but they have to charge an hour minimum if it is not warranty work.ya but if you are supposedly getting a stage kit that includes injectors and the reflash, it is like you are paying for it twice.....:nono:

Better off going to the dealership and trying to get it for employee price or better yet, invoice:)

i dont know what your dealerships may or may not do...unfortunately it may be something that has to be looked into and tried before any assumptions can be made.

Like i have said before though, we are trying to locate and stock whatever comes out for these cars.... There is a very high demand for performance and sometimes to get things the way you want there are steps that not everyone likes to take. For instance the CEL and intakes...we all know that adding a CAI is most likely going to throw a code, but does that stop any of us from putting a CAI on our cars? For most, no.

ill have to call some dealerships to get some feelers out there and see what they say. working for one in the past i kind of know what they are going to tell me.

The general question was will we stock stage kits.
Yes we will stock anything that becomes available or at least try our very best to get those parts and offer them at competetive prices:
Body kits, stage upgrades, GM parts, interior, exterior, rims...even car cleaning products.

when the parts become available, with everything we carry, it will be fitted, installed, and tested
;-)

donna it is a waste to call the dealer. i gave ramp the part number the guy gave me a retail price and DID NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS. he was like what is this? i was like stage 1 and 2 upgrades for the cobalt hes like oh. i was like how much is install hes like IDK. i was like hey nice job helping me out.

I had to pay for the reflash, for my Z24 that was supposed to be free! I can see it happening again.

hey guys....saturn redline owner here,ive had the same experience here in central florida,i called 2 saturn dealerships and two chevy dealerships about 10 days ago,the parts or service guys knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about thre stage kits,all four dealerships PROMISED to get back with me within a day or two!..guess what...nobody did,my wife even works for one of the chevy locations!!!@@!!..im starting to wonder if the sgage kits exist!..oh the interactive saturn im site knew nothing either..peace out!

:nono: i dont know what your dealerships may or may not do...unfortunately it may be something that has to be looked into and tried before any assumptions can be made.

Like i have said before though, we are trying to locate and stock whatever comes out for these cars.... There is a very high demand for performance and sometimes to get things the way you want there are steps that not everyone likes to take. For instance the CEL and intakes...we all know that adding a CAI is most likely going to throw a code, but does that stop any of us from putting a CAI on our cars? For most, no.

ill have to call some dealerships to get some feelers out there and see what they say. working for one in the past i kind of know what they are going to tell me.

The general question was will we stock stage kits.
Yes we will stock anything that becomes available or at least try our very best to get those parts and offer them at competetive prices:
Body kits, stage upgrades, GM parts, interior, exterior, rims...even car cleaning products.

when the parts become available, with everything we carry, it will be fitted, installed, and tested
;-)

Understood donna, BUT!!!!!
The stage kit is supposed to be:
Stage 1
Injectors
Reflash

If we are paying a vendor like you or anyone else for the kit and all we are getting is the injectors and have to pay for the reflash at a dealer, then where is the benefit?:nono: :cussing:

Not upset with anything to you guys but this is POOR PLANNING on Gm's part!
anytime you get the stealerships involved SOMEONE is gonna get SKREWED!:bye:

Unless you guys get in with a local dealer that will do the reflash for you, then we are SOL!:cussing:

:nono:

Understood donna, BUT!!!!!
The stage kit is supposed to be:
Stage 1
Injectors
Reflash

If we are paying a vendor like you or anyone else for the kit and all we are getting is the injectors and have to pay for the reflash at a dealer, then where is the benefit?:nono: :cussing:

Not upset with anything to you guys but this is POOR PLANNING on Gm's part!
anytime you get the stealerships involved SOMEONE is gonna get SKREWED!:bye:

Unless you guys get in with a local dealer that will do the reflash for you, then we are SOL!:cussing:

I don't really see why the dealer "should" do anything for free if a part was bought elsewhere when it is in fact a "GM" part. But yes, if a separate vendor could work down a pre arranged price WITH a reflash at no extra cost to the customer, that could work, but IMO the margin really isn't big enough for any more advantage to the customer to actually go through a separate vendor. Thats just my opinion.

I don't really see why the dealer "should" do anything for free if a part was bought elsewhere when it is in fact a "GM" part. But yes, if a separate vendor could work down a pre arranged price WITH a reflash at no extra cost to the customer, that could work, but IMO the margin really isn't big enough for any more advantage to the customer to actually go through a separate vendor. Thats just my opinion.y think GM needs to enclose a coupon or something like a voucher, as dumb as it sounds so this will go smoothly....and dealers would get a specified credit from GM:cool:

i have an in at the local dealership that i might be able to swing for myself out here because i worked for them. im pretty cool with the guys and im not positive but could probably work something out for myself since i still hang out with them.

im wondering though if there would be any recalls that might actually cover this. Had to have a reflash recall done on the 02 cavalier to update the comp. so maybe something like this might eventually happen....

y think GM needs to enclose a coupon or something like a voucher, as dumb as it sounds so this will go smoothly....and dealers would get a specified credit from GM:cool:

Thats a damn good idea! :twothumbs

more vendors will be doing stage kits once someone cracks the ECU

more vendors will be doing stage kits once someone cracks the ECU

In that case then you may as well go with the aftermarket since any ECM tuning other then at a dealer will void the warranty making your more expensive GM purchased kit kind of pointless IMO.

Yes we will be carrying the stage upgrades and will also be offering new performance parts which are in development as we speak, Check our site often as we are getting new things every day,
Thank you for your interest and when the kits become available and are stocked i will post to let everyone know.
Thank you!

NICE:cssNET: :cssNET:

The stage kits will come with a code that the gm dealer uses to put into there programmers to open up the reflash. The Kits can be sold anywhere as the kits will come with this code that will be a one time linked code to your vin number. Expect to pay the dealership to install the code into the computer. Even if you buy the kit from a dealer they are going to make you pay for the install and the reflash. Also expect that most dealerships will require that they have to do the install for your warranty to remain. We will be selling the kit for cheaper than the dealer sells it and we will have a local dealership that we deal with do the reflashes at a discounted rate. We will also do the install on the kits if need be.

Also as is with many of the vendors we are working on a few things aftermarket wise that will blow away the GM stage kits. I think when all the vendors team up together we will have the ecm cracked in no time and have custom tunes and stand alone setups. They are coming ...its almost a race to see who gets it doen first ....although there is a complete standalone already in existance if you dont mind paying $1800.00. IF you need info you can email us as we are selling them currently , but we are working on a less expensive setup that we currently use on our other forced induction vehicles. I guess like everyone elses just stay tuned!

Thanks
Donna and Kenny

The stage kits will come with a code that the gm dealer uses to put into there programmers to open up the reflash. The Kits can be sold anywhere as the kits will come with this code that will be a one time linked code to your vin number. Expect to pay the dealership to install the code into the computer. Even if you buy the kit from a dealer they are going to make you pay for the install and the reflash. Also expect that most dealerships will require that they have to do the install for your warranty to remain. We will be selling the kit for cheaper than the dealer sells it and we will have a local dealership that we deal with do the reflashes at a discounted rate. We will also do the install on the kits if need be.

Also as is with many of the vendors we are working on a few things aftermarket wise that will blow away the GM stage kits. I think when all the vendors team up together we will have the ecm cracked in no time and have custom tunes and stand alone setups. They are coming ...its almost a race to see who gets it doen first ....although there is a complete standalone already in existance if you dont mind paying $1800.00. IF you need info you can email us as we are selling them currently , but we are working on a less expensive setup that we currently use on our other forced induction vehicles. I guess like everyone elses just stay tuned!

Thanks
Donna and Kennythat sounds cool Donna, but for 1 I still believe for most the stage kit would be a total rip off for $500 for just a set of injectors and then you have to pay for a reflash anyhow....GM is just so DAMN STUPID sometimes.....:poke: :barf: :wtf:

Also as is with many of the vendors we are working on a few things aftermarket wise that will blow away the GM stage kits.


I won't disagree that it might and will happen, but what I do disagree with is the innacurate claim about something that hasn't even come out yet. All this hype about the GM kits are getting sickening really. They have gone from awesome to overpriced and crap. "They aren't even available yet". just funny I think.
Everybody seems like an A.D.D patient when we talk about GM stage kits. :lol:

I won't disagree that it might and will happen, but what I do disagree with is the innacurate claim about something that hasn't even come out yet. All this hype about the GM kits are getting sickening really. They have gone from awesome to overpriced and crap. "They aren't even available yet". just funny I think.
Everybody seems like an A.D.D patient when we talk about GM stage kits. :lol:
not really saying it wont happen, BUT
knowing GM the greedy bastards they are, it makes perfect sense. By making the reflash a dealer installed part they are effectively screwing everyone, its not so much speculation as fact...with the 2.4L s/c kits some people got the reflash for free and a lot had to pay labor for something that takes what 20mins? By posting a labor time for install, I feel they are planning that the 1 or 1.5 hrs of labor will include the labor for the reflash, which seems to make perfect sense, which in a way screws the aftermarket vendors, at least if they included a PCM that had the reflash in it already there wouldnt be as much a problem, since we could install parts and pcm and go.:twothumbs

not really saying it wont happen, BUT
knowing GM the greedy bastards they are, it makes perfect sense. By making the reflash a dealer installed part they are effectively screwing everyone, its not so much speculation as fact...with the 2.4L s/c kits some people got the reflash for free and a lot had to pay labor for something that takes what 20mins? By posting a labor time for install, I feel they are planning that the 1 or 1.5 hrs of labor will include the labor for the reflash, which seems to make perfect sense, which in a way screws the aftermarket vendors, at least if they included a PCM that had the reflash in it already there wouldnt be as much a problem, since we could install parts and pcm and go.:twothumbs

This wouldn't be as profitable for GM at all then. Every company is out to make money bottom line so welcome to business. Thats how it works. GM isn't about to give any aftermarket vendors the chance to use their tech just yet. That would be foolish in a business sense

GM will make the same off the kits either way, what I am saying is, if you are paying for a reflash program as part of the kit, it should be included no matter where you get it from...

:nono:

Understood donna, BUT!!!!!
The stage kit is supposed to be:
Stage 1
Injectors
Reflash

If we are paying a vendor like you or anyone else for the kit and all we are getting is the injectors and have to pay for the reflash at a dealer, then where is the benefit?:nono: :cussing:

Not upset with anything to you guys but this is POOR PLANNING on Gm's part!
anytime you get the stealerships involved SOMEONE is gonna get SKREWED!:bye:

Unless you guys get in with a local dealer that will do the reflash for you, then we are SOL!:cussing:

With the dealership involved you get the benefit of not losing your warranty, vendors should stick to selling products that they can provide service and support for.

that sounds cool Donna, but for 1 I still believe for most the stage kit would be a total rip off for $500 for just a set of injectors and then you have to pay for a reflash anyhow....GM is just so DAMN STUPID sometimes.....:poke: :barf: :wtf:

How is GM stupid, the dealer is supposed to be equiped and trained to install these kits, there are so many aftermarket vendors, how is GM supposed to know who does decent work or not, and if something goes wrong with the car because of installation do you think GM has to warranty someones own crappy workmanship.

GM dealers never know nothing. i worked at one for a long time and sometimes i would tell the mechanics what was going on.. never on a car that needed service but on new cars. just stupid things too.. the cadillac XLR they thought it had an ls-6 in it. and when the ss 2.4 came out, one guy told me they took the superchargers off for 0-6. they were mostly good guys but some of them knew shit about the new cars. when i looked at the ss/sc the DEALER didn't know if it was a 5 or a 6 speed. i had to tell him, his response "your right it is" after he looked it up

well if you are paying 500 for injectors and a reflash why would you have to pay again for about 55-75 dollars depending on the shop for them to install the reflash. i understand the dealer has to make money but wtf. its like you are paying 500 for injectors alone. then the custom tune is costing you the labor of 55-75 for a 20 min job. yes i kno dealers have to make money but i can go and buy injectors from intense for about 150 and be done with it. dealers are going to make so much money on these kits especially if they do installations. I mean about 1hr worth of work for stage one and maybe 2 for stage two. you are looking at 637 for stage 2 then 150 for install plus tax. 787 before taxes 856 after taxes install and what not. To me a waste of money.
yeah these kits sound amazing but not for the prices that these deaers are selling them for. plus most dealers will have a mark up on them just like when i was first looking at the ss. Ramp had a 1500 mark up on the window sticker. i was surprised to get my car for 20 when they had a red one listed at almost 24 with no options.

well if you are paying 500 for injectors and a reflash why would you have to pay again for about 55-75 dollars depending on the shop for them to install the reflash. i understand the dealer has to make money but wtf. its like you are paying 500 for injectors alone. then the custom tune is costing you the labor of 55-75 for a 20 min job. .

The question of the hour....is the price installation and reflash inclusive.
I still don't see what the big deal is here. You want a warrantied kit backed with full GM R&D and warranty, you pay the price. If you don't care about it, go another route..warranty void.

The question of the hour....is the price installation and reflash inclusive.
I still don't see what the big deal is here. You want a warrantied kit backed with full GM R&D and warranty, you pay the price. If you don't care about it, go another route..warranty void.
the big deal is there will be no price control here...stealerships will charge whatever, so then any feeling of value is screwed...if the stg 1 is $500 and 1 hr labor then it should be best price for the kit anywhere then the hr for labor.:cool:

the big deal is there will be no price control here...stealerships will charge whatever, so then any feeling of value is screwed...if the stg 1 is $500 and 1 hr labor then it should be best price for the kit anywhere then the hr for labor.:cool:

I don't think I follow you here. What are you referring to when you say "no price control?"

It's quite cut and dried as far as I am concerned. GM sells a package for a car they manufactured with warranty. Aftermarket sells packages as well, cheaper and no warranty. Both have their own pricing. An aftermarket vendor will be able to buy these GM kits minus the warranty if installed by the vendor, from whatever dealer they buy from for whatever price they work out . This is where I see the system being bastardized since not every dealer is going to charge the same for the same product. Unless vendors can buy it below dealer cost, it wouldn't be beneficial to the customer at all.

I don't think I follow you here. What are you referring to when you say "no price control?"

It's quite cut and dried as far as I am concerned. GM sells a package for a car they manufactured with warranty. Aftermarket sells packages as well, cheaper and no warranty. Both have their own pricing. An aftermarket vendor will be able to buy these GM kits minus the warranty if installed by the vendor, from whatever dealer they buy from for whatever price they work out . This is where I see the system being bastardized since not every dealer is going to charge the same for the same product. Unless vendors can buy it below dealer cost, it wouldn't be beneficial to the customer at all.
Meaning if I buy a kit for say $450 which includes the injectors and reflash from say Donna, and take it to a local dealer to install, am I going to pay 2x for a reflash (initial purchase and installation) when it is supposed to be included and is the dealer going to try to fuk me over on labor?

Meaning the kit incl. injectors and reflash, but how are we supposed to get the reflash without paying AGAIN for the freaking thing...make sense.

They really need a voucher deal.

Plus if I go to a local dealer they still are going to fuk me over, I will mostlikely pay list for the damn kit then they will charge labor and the reflash labor, so it is a no win scenario...

Hopefully if donna has connections I will drive there from CT and get it done that way....unless crate engine depot(Tom) comes up with a solution, I almost wish these pcm's can be bench flased at the dealer....why I loved FLIGHT SYSTEMS and mopar....:twothumbs

their way is much more effective!